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https://www.digitimes.com/news/a20200106PD206.html

(The article requires a News database access subscription, which costs $12,400 (TWD) per year, or around $415 (USD) per year, which I'm not going to pay for.)

https://twitter.com/mochi_wsj/status/1214195658137075713

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I reported in Aug 2019: "Nintendo has ideas for further updates to the Switch lineup after those two models to make the platform's lifecycle long"

DigiTimes on Jan 6: "Nintendo is reportedly planning to release in mid-2020 a new model of Switch"

digitimes.com/news/a20200106...

https://twitter.com/serkantoto/status/1214224369779646464

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To further add on this (article requires a subscription):

Digitimes claims the new Switch will come with a magnesium alloy body (instead of plastic).

Another claim is that the device will come with a better CPU.

Note that Digitimes has a mixed track record WRT Nintendo.

twitter.com/mochi_wsj/stat...

So, I'd like to discuss my thoughts about the new alleged Nintendo Switch model. Just as a warning, my thoughts can be very long and wordy, so read at your discretion if you're sensitive to very long and wordy posts.

  • I'm intrigued with the new alleged Nintendo Switch model allegedly having a magnesium alloy body. I'm not a fan of how easily scratchable the body of the current Nintendo Switch model is and how flimsy it feels at times (I can't really say anything about the Nintendo Switch Lite since I don't own a Nintendo Switch Lite). However, I do have some concerns about the alleged Nintendo Switch model allegedly having a magnesium alloy body. One is that the alleged Nintendo Switch model could potentially get hot to the touch when playing graphically intensive games at handheld mode. Second is that the Wi-Fi reception could be worse compared to the current Nintendo Switch model since there's a possibility Nintendo could implement a poor antenna placement (and the Wi-Fi reception on the current Nintendo Switch model is bad enough as it is). But, if Nintendo does come up with viable solutions with the concerns I have for the alleged Nintendo Switch model having a magnesium alloy body, I wouldn't be opposed to the new alleged Nintendo Switch model having a magnesium alloy body.
  • The new alleged Nintendo Switch model having a better CPU isn't really surprising to me, considering that's what Nintendo did with the New Nintendo 3DS (and New Nintendo 2DS) lineup, with Nintendo doubling the ARM11 CPU core count (with the CPU frequency potentially increasing up to 804 MHz), adding L2 cache to the CPU, doubling system RAM, and adding 4 MB of extra VRAM on the GPU. And considering that the New Nintendo 3DS (and New Nintendo 2DS) lineup and the Nintendo Switch lineup use SoCs (Nintendo uses a custom, proprietary SoC codenamed Nintendo 1048 0H for the New Nintendo 3DS (and New Nintendo 2DS) lineup whilst Nintendo uses Nvidia's Tegra X1+ SoC for the current Nintendo Switch lineup (and Nvidia's Tegra X1 SoC for the original Nintendo Switch model)), the new alleged Nintendo Switch model having a better CPU could allow games to have shorter loading times, improved and increased frame rates, increased draw distance and lower pop-in, increased texture quality, and etc., which is the case for some games running on the New Nintendo 3DS (and New Nintendo 2DS), like Hyrule Warriors Legends, Monster Hunter 4 Ultimate, Xenoblade Chronicles 3D, and etc.
  • However, I'm concerned that the new alleged Nintendo Switch model having a better CPU might result in Nintendo and third party developers developing games exclusively for the new alleged Nintendo Switch model. Nintendo has released games that run exclusively on the New Nintendo 3DS (and New Nintendo 2DS), like Xenoblade Chronicles 3D and Fire Emblem Warriors, so there's definitely a possibility that Nintendo could develop games that run exclusively on the new alleged Nintendo Switch model. There's also a possibility that Nintendo would make games that can run on the current Nintendo Switch model as well as the new alleged Nintendo Switch model, but with shorter loading times, improved and increased frame rates, increased draw distance and lower pop-in, increased texture quality, and etc., when playing the game on the new alleged Nintendo Switch model (like with Hyrule Warrior Legends when comparing playing it on the Nintendo 3DS, Nintendo 3DS XL, and Nintendo 2DS vs playing it on the New Nintendo 3DS, New Nintendo 3DS XL, and New Nintendo 2DS XL). And to be honest, I think that possibility is the most likely scenario for Nintendo games.
  • But when third party developers are concerned, I'm not sure whether third party developers will choose making games exclusively for the new alleged Nintendo Switch model or making games that can run on the current Nintendo Switch model as well as the new alleged Nintendo Switch model, but with shorter loading times, improved and increased frame rates, increased draw distance and lower pop-in, increased texture quality, and etc., when playing the game on the new alleged Nintendo Switch model. As of right now, the release date for the Nintendo Switch version of Doom Eternal is unknown, but is set to be released after the PC (Steam), PlayStation 4, Xbox One, and Google Stadia versions of Doom Eternal are released on 20 March 2020. And I hear some people speculating that Bethesda is waiting for Nintendo to announce the new alleged Nintendo Switch model, so that Bethesda can work with Panic Button to have Doom Eternal run on the current Nintendo Switch model as well as the new alleged Nintendo Switch model; and I'm guessing there would be improved frame rates and possibly a slightly higher resolution when playing Doom Eternal on the new alleged Nintendo Switch model. However, I'm concerned that third party developers could potentially choose to make games exclusively for the new alleged Nintendo Switch model. There's a rumour that Nintendo and Square Enix discussed the possibility of bringing Kingdom Hearts III to the Nintendo Switch. But despite Unreal Engine 4 support for the Nintendo Switch, bringing Kingdom Hearts III to the Nintendo Switch was deemed unfeasible without massive downgrades due to how demanding Kingdom Hearts III is performance wise (although I think it has more to do with how incredibly unoptimised Kingdom Hearts III is for all of the platforms that Kingdom Hearts III is released in (the PlayStation 4 and Xbox One) in my personal opinion). I think there's a possibility that the new alleged Nintendo Switch model has enough power improvements that allows Square Enix to bring Kingdom Hearts III over with acceptable performance alongside acceptable downgrades, considering that the main bottlenecks for the current Nintendo Switch seems to be the memory bandwidth and the CPU frequency of the Tegra X1 SoC on the original Nintendo Switch models (I believe the Tegra X1+ SoC on the current Nintendo Switch models and the Nintendo Switch Lite runs at the exact same clock speeds as the original Nintendo Switch models). The reason I've mentioned the rumour about the feasibility of bringing Kingdom Hearts III to the Nintendo Switch is because there are games that third party developers would like to bring to the Nintendo Switch, but are not able to due to the Nintendo Switch not being powerful enough, like for example Elder Scrolls Online.
  • I don't think it's completely inconceivable that the alleged Nintendo Switch model would be released in mid-2020 to late-2020 since the New Nintendo 3DS models were released worldwide around 3 years after the worldwide release of the original Nintendo 3DS models.
  • I hope with the new alleged Nintendo Switch model, Nintendo will also release a revision of the Joy-Cons with better ergonomics and being built with higher quality materials (especially for the contact pads below the analog stick since it seems like debris from the contact pads being scratched by the metal prongs on the analog sticks causes the Joy-Cons (and potentially the Nintendo Switch Lite analog sticks) to drift).  And although this is probably unlikely, it would be nice for Nintendo to release a revision to the Pro Controller with a better designed D-Pad (considering the design of the D-Pad on the current Pro Controllers is not great).

So these are my thoughts in regards to the new alleged Nintendo Switch model.

I'm very well aware the rumours of the new alleged Nintendo Switch model could very well be false. I'm also very aware I could very well be ignorant and misguided when talking about my thoughts on the new alleged Nintendo Switch model.

But I find it rather interesting and entertaining to talk about rumours about the new alleged Nintendo Switch model. And at times, it can be quite educational when listening to people who work in the electronics industry and/or video game industry talk about their thoughts about the rumours regarding the new alleged Nintendo Switch model (like with the ResetEra thread about the new alleged Nintendo Switch model rumours).

I'd like to thank @Woodus for creating the Video Game Technology forum, so I can discuss video game technology rumours, like this one, and possibly discuss announcements of new video game technology, here in Dragon's Den.

So feel free to talk about your thoughts about the new alleged Nintendo Switch model. And I look forward to hearing other people's thoughts on the new alleged Nintendo Switch model rumours.

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I’m regards to your worries about games being developed exclusively for the newer model, this is most certainly an inevitability. If Nintendo wants to keep up with the PS5 and Series X they need something that can keep up with higher end PS4 and XBone at least. I heard Alien: Isolation on Switch was a great port but had a few graphical downgrades and the Switch port of Witcher 3 is the most unoptimized version by far. These games are 5 years or older.

So if they want to keep up the third-party support they need something that can handle at least a decent port. So yes, I’m betting a lot of the higher end big-budget games from major studios will no longer be putting games on the OG Switch, but I’m sure Nintendo will support it alongside the newer model, along with other publishers. It’s important to note that while the New 3DS did have exclusive games, they were console games that had to take severe downgrades just to get it running on a 3DS. The gap between the New 3DS versions of those games are so far away from the gap between, say, the PS4 and PS4 Pro.

Essentially, I’m sure third-party support will shrink on the original Switch, but I don’t think it will die and Nintendo will continue to support it for a long, long time alongside the new Switch. I’m actually betting the reason we haven’t heard about the Outer Worlds Switch port is because it can’t run on the existing Switch and will be a launch title for the new one.

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New Nintendo Switch should include a 1080p touchscreen with a thin bezel and support 4K output via HDMI. I wouldn't expect every game on the system to output 4K, but some definitely could, and it would would great for Hulu, YouTube, and (hopefully soon) Netflix.

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New Nintendo Switch should include a 1080p touchscreen with a thin bezel and support 4K output via HDMI. I wouldn't expect every game on the system to output 4K, but some definitely could, and it would would great for Hulu, YouTube, and (hopefully soon) Netflix.
I don't think the Tegra chip is capable of that. And if it were, the thermals would be awful.

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16 minutes ago, Erdrick The Hero said:

New Nintendo Switch should include a 1080p touchscreen with a thin bezel and support 4K output via HDMI. I wouldn't expect every game on the system to output 4K, but some definitely could, and it would would great for Hulu, YouTube, and (hopefully soon) Netflix.

I could see that happening for what people call the "Nintendo Switch 2".

But what we've heard about the new alleged Nintendo Switch model seems like a very far cry from the "Nintendo Switch 2". And I don't think having a 1080p touchscreen for the new alleged Nintendo Switch model seems beneficial considering most games (including many first party games) run below 720p.

4 minutes ago, AustNerevar said:
19 minutes ago, Erdrick The Hero said:
New Nintendo Switch should include a 1080p touchscreen with a thin bezel and support 4K output via HDMI. I wouldn't expect every game on the system to output 4K, but some definitely could, and it would would great for Hulu, YouTube, and (hopefully soon) Netflix.

I don't think the Tegra chip is capable of that. And if it were, the thermals would be awful.

The Tegra X1 SoC is capable of 4K output for media playback. But Nintendo has disabled that for obvious reasons.

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The Tegra X1 SoC is capable of 4K output for media playback. But Nintendo has disabled that for obvious reasons.
For media playback. But not rendering 4k graphics though, right?

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1 minute ago, AustNerevar said:
9 minutes ago, Dakhil said:
The Tegra X1 SoC is capable of 4K output for media playback. But Nintendo has disabled that for obvious reasons.

For media playback. But not rendering 4k graphics though, right?

Correct.

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Maybe rendering 3D graphics in 4k is out of the question, but I could see 2D or low-resource-intensity 3D games running in at least 2K. Hell, my cheapo phone has a 2K screen.

There's no reason a Switch Pro couldn't at least do 4k media streaming.

 

I understand a lot of games are sub-720p on switch, but a lot are at least 720p, some 1080p docked. I would hope that a Switch Pro could handle current games' docked modes in handheld mode - you can do this with a modded Switch already, it just drains the battery faster.

I understand better hardware = higher price, but assuming they keep selling the original switch or switch lite as a budget option, it wouldn't be too bad to raise the price a little on a pro variant.

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I don't know how trustworthy and reliable this rumour is. But apparently a "leaker" has leaked more details about the new alleged Nintendo Switch model. And according to ResetEra user DukeBlueBall, the "leaker" has frequently post details about upcoming mobile devices, which the "leaker" apparently obtains from hard sources from semiconductor fabrication plants in Taiwan and China.

https://www.clien.net/service/board/park/14491872

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중국발입니다.

 

공정 배터리 개선판인 스위치 신제품과 별도로 스위치 프로가 올 4분기 예정이라는 소문입니다.

 

이전 루머들과 다른 점은 닌텐도가 테그라x1+ 에서 추가로 클럭업한 버전을 채택하지 않을 것이라는 점입니다.

 

현재 닌텐도가 엔비디아사와 협업하에 개발 중인 커스텀 프로세서가 있다는 얘기가 닌텐도 협력업체 소스로 나와있습니다만 대만쪽 정보에 따르면 아직 대량 양산에 들어갈 타이밍이 아직 아니라고 합니다.

 

즉 올해 4분기에 출시가 힘들수 있으며 루머들과 다르게 4k지원이라던가 이런 대폭적인 성능업은 기대하지 않는게 좋다고 합니다.

 

다만 현재 협업 중이라는 커스텀 프로세서의 GPU가 미국발 소식으로 볼타 기반으로 업그레이드 된다는 소문이 있다고 합니다.

And here's a quick Google Translator translation. If a more professional translation becomes available, I'll make sure to update the translation as soon as possible.

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It is from China.

Aside from the new Switch, an improved process battery, the rumor is that Switch Pro is scheduled for the fourth quarter of this year.

The difference with previous rumors is that Nintendo will not adopt an additional clocked up version of Tegra x1+.

Nintendo's partner sources say that there is a custom processor that Nintendo is currently working with Nvidia, but Taiwan's information says it's not yet time to start mass production.

In other words, it may be difficult to release in the fourth quarter of this year, and unlike rumors, 4k support or such a big performance industry should not be expected.

However, there are rumors that the GPU of a custom processor that is currently working together will be upgraded to Volta based on news from the US.

 

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However, I'm concerned that the new alleged Nintendo Switch model having a better CPU might result in Nintendo and third party developers developing games exclusively for the new alleged Nintendo Switch model. Nintendo has released games that run exclusively on the New Nintendo 3DS (and New Nintendo 2DS), like Xenoblade Chronicles 3D and Fire Emblem Warriors, so there's definitely a possibility that Nintendo could develop games that run exclusively on the new alleged Nintendo Switch model. 

 

 

I doubt there'd be many absolutely ONLY plays on 'New' Switch titles, given how rare ONLY plays on 'New' 3DS titles there were. More likely it'd be most games work on all models, with a few with extra features/better performance ONLY available on the 'New' model.

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On 1/21/2020 at 1:46 PM, Dakhil said:

I don't know how trustworthy and reliable this rumour is. But apparently a "leaker" has leaked more details about the new alleged Nintendo Switch model. And according to ResetEra user DukeBlueBall, the "leaker" has frequently post details about upcoming mobile devices, which the "leaker" apparently obtains from hard sources from semiconductor fabrication plants in Taiwan and China

https://www.clien.net/service/board/park/14491872

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중국발입니다.

 

공정 배터리 개선판인 스위치 신제품과 별도로 스위치 프로가 올 4분기 예정이라는 소문입니다.

 

이전 루머들과 다른 점은 닌텐도가 테그라x1+ 에서 추가로 클럭업한 버전을 채택하지 않을 것이라는 점입니다.

 

현재 닌텐도가 엔비디아사와 협업하에 개발 중인 커스텀 프로세서가 있다는 얘기가 닌텐도 협력업체 소스로 나와있습니다만 대만쪽 정보에 따르면 아직 대량 양산에 들어갈 타이밍이 아직 아니라고 합니다.

 

즉 올해 4분기에 출시가 힘들수 있으며 루머들과 다르게 4k지원이라던가 이런 대폭적인 성능업은 기대하지 않는게 좋다고 합니다.

 

다만 현재 협업 중이라는 커스텀 프로세서의 GPU가 미국발 소식으로 볼타 기반으로 업그레이드 된다는 소문이 있다고 합니다.

And here's a quick Google Translator translation. If a more professional translation becomes available, I'll make sure to update the translation as soon as possible.

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It is from China.

Aside from the new Switch, an improved process battery, the rumor is that Switch Pro is scheduled for the fourth quarter of this year.

The difference with previous rumors is that Nintendo will not adopt an additional clocked up version of Tegra x1+.

Nintendo's partner sources say that there is a custom processor that Nintendo is currently working with Nvidia, but Taiwan's information says it's not yet time to start mass production.

In other words, it may be difficult to release in the fourth quarter of this year, and unlike rumors, 4k support or such a big performance industry should not be expected.

However, there are rumors that the GPU of a custom processor that is currently working together will be upgraded to Volta based on news from the US.

So wccftech, NotebookCheck, and NintendoLife are now reporting on the above rumour of the new alleged Nintendo Switch model.

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https://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/pdf/2020/200131_2e.pdf

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Regarding Nintendo Switch, we believe that it is important to continue to communicate the appeal of both Nintendo Switch systems and expand the installed base. Please note that we have no plans to launch a new Nintendo Switch model during 2020.

That was fun whilst it lasted.

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9 hours ago, Dakhil said:

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