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Chronological order of the Dragon Quest games (on geological basis)

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Hey guys!

I wanted to check if it were possible to read the Dragon Quest timeline from the geography of the world maps!
If all Dragon Quest games, except for the first three, would all be the same world, what would be the chronological order of the games, if you look at the geography of the maps (continental movement)?

Better said, what would be the best order to put these maps in based on familiarity of each other?

 

http://www.realmofdarkness.net/dq/img/nes/dw4/maps/overworld-2.png

http://www.realmofdarkness.net/dq/img/snes/dq5/maps/overworld-5.png

http://www.realmofdarkness.net/dq/img/snes/dq6/maps/real-world.gif

http://www.woodus.com/den/gallery/graphics/dw7psx/maps_overworld/dw7psx_overworld_tileset_map.png

http://www.woodus.com/den/gallery/graphics/dq8ps2/maps_overworld/Dragon_Quest_8_Overworld_Map_25_Percent_Resolution.png

http://www.woodus.com/den/gallery/graphics/dq9ds/maps_overworld/dq9ds_starflight_overworld_map.png

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I'd think plot should go into consideration for timeline first tbh.

 

From a plot standpoint, VI happens before IV which in turn is before V.

Similarly the Loto games go III -> I -> II -> Caravan Heart, with a timesplit in I leading into Builders instead of II/Caravan Heart.

Which means there's a distinct possibility of Zelda madness elsewhere in the series since we're running off a many world outcome shenanigans.

 

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I know VI is before IV is before V in a plotwise thing.
But if you look at the maps, what would be the most logical chronology with continents changing form and such things?
What do you mean with 403 forbidden?

 

Sigh, Zelda did it completely wrong.

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$#!& $#!& $#!& ....2 hours of typing...gone  8 bloody paragraphs...gone.

 

Short answer...no, not in a billion years could you actually make the connections.  If you want to, you can, but it would break cannon completely between them, and would make absolutely no sense to any degree.

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Tbh video games aren't known for accuracy with plate tectonics.

 

Combined with how things are set up for Heroes and such (multiple worlds), the maps are one of the last places I'd look for chronology purposes.

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The fact these games do have accuracy with world maps make them such interesting to talk about from this perspective, I think.

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$#!& $#!& $#!& ....2 hours of typing...gone 8 bloody paragraphs...gone.

 

Short answer...no, not in a billion years could you actually make the connections. If you want to, you can, but it would break cannon completely between them, and would make absolutely no sense to any degree.

Your summaries are much better. No 8 paragraphs.

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There is no canon chronology for these games, except for 1 2 and 3, and implied 4 5 and 6.

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There is no canon chronology for these games, except for 1 2 and 3, and implied 4 5 and 6.

As of the DS version of 6, VI -> IV -> V was confirmed.

 

In the post game you come across a empty version of Weaver's Peak named Reaper's Peak. You get the choice to fill it with people from the "Near Future" (DQIV cast), the "far future" (DQV cast), or monsters.

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Ah yes, that thing. 

Well then, assuming 645 is the order of these three games, where would 789 fit next to/inbetween them?

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Ah yes, that thing. 

Well then, assuming 645 is the order of these three games, where would 789 fit next to/inbetween them?

There was a timeline discussion a short while back in the VII 3DS subforum:

http://www.woodus.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=35150

 

Basically the general consensus is 9 first, Loto, 8, then Zenithia.

 

7 could go literally anywhere and not much would happen, though.

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They're completely independent worlds.

 

8 is connected to 3 through Lamia, which suggests the same thing that Zoma did, that each world is connected by portals between them. They're not the same world.  So essentially 8 comes after 3 given Lamia helped save the "real world" in 3, and eventually came to 8's world, and stayed put until Fatthorne the Ubercookiemuncher, his-butt-is-a-black-hole, his-mamma-so-fat-she-rolls-over-once-to-cross-the-pacific-ocean, the demon lord from the dark realm, who becomes Fatterthorne after swallowing his own castle.

 

8 also allows for both Torneko and Ragnar to be present in that world, but without actually being part of it.  They both hail from their actual hometowns, but neither of those places exist in 8's world, meaning there's some access point that allows traversing between worlds.  We also see this with both DQM 1 and DQM 3.  Even DQM2 suggests portals between different worlds.

 

7 is its own world.  Even has a defacto live-in God.  Same with 9, but both Gods and their relationships and designs are uniquely different.  They're entirely individual, impossible to relate to the others.  7 3DS's Tablet system, and 9's Legacy Boss system imply the same thing as 8, only 9 implies something uniquely different, that time itself is irrelevant.  Afterall, how can each of the bosses of the other games be present, at the same time, in a different world?  7 3DS offers much the same.

 

Then you have 3's remakes, starting with the SFC version.  Zenithia, in 6, is SPIRITUALLY connected to the other two worlds.  It's heavily implied in the nature of 6's world versus 4/5, and in the nature of the legendary equipment in both, and the access point.  3 solidifies this further suggesting that Zenithia, being the overseer of the dream world, which is also the spirit world, is tied to all worlds.  Meaning the Dragon version, the physical manifested version of Zenithia, is in a connected, but not quite the same world.  We can say it is by Reaper's Peak, but even there, a few statements imply the connection is not that literal, but is tied to the nature of the dream world, in which Zenithia oversees.  Suggesting that there are worlds closely united, but not the same, and others very far apart, but still allowing connections through portals.

 

Zenithia in 3 would have to take place AFTER the Dragon takes over, so 3's storyline would be post 6, if you want to create a chronology, without need of the Dragon, and the castle itself is loosely tied into different worlds, taking its own unique form within those worlds, but still the same overseer for spirits.  His boss is another dragon, and again, a spiritual dragon who likes to test people.  Much like 7's God.  However 7 doesn't need a Dragon, God for 7 is...God.  So there's no real way to make that chronological connection to any degree.

 

So if you wanted to place the stories together given the tie-ins...for one, 9 would have to be after all the rest, or in a universe where time literally means nothing for those portals that connect to it, so it cannot be placed.  Either or works.

 

 

So...

 

6 -> 3 -> 1 -> 2 -> 4 -> 5 -> 9

 

8 would fit somewhere between 3 and 9, likely before 4 or 5.  4's story suggests a LONG period of time, since the Zenith Dragon predates the fight with Esturk, and was always known in that world, and Esturk was about 1,000 years prior.  5 is thousands of years after 4, and so most of the knowledge between them is long since extinct save base remnants.

7, again, is impossible to fit.

 

This is the best fit for the connecting points crafted by the remakes, and later releases like 8, which imply connected worlds (actually we can give credit to the Monsters games for this...or heck, 3, since it's the first to give a world that's connected through a portal to a "dark world" that's not really below, just that's the imagery crafted by the link between both, in how Zoma chose to enter from one world, and it fits better in making it the "dark underworld".

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Wow, this really helps guys! Many thanks!

Yeah, DQ7 is hard to place, also because of a God instead of a Goddess.

DQ 456 take place in the same world, though.

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Wow, this really helps guys! Many thanks!

 

Yeah, DQ7 is hard to place, also because of a God instead of a Goddess.

DQ 456 take place in the same world, though.

 

To be fair, except for the international versions, it's only "God," but according to the staffers, and Horii himself, the notion of "God" in all games but DQ's 7 and 9, where there is a clearly defined Male God (and 9 has the female deity child of God), it's just the universal concept of a God, so there's no specific gender implied.

 

I won't get into 4/5/6 again, save to say the game leaves it open to interpretation, and allows escaping the mold of trilogies.

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The only things that are certain is that 3 is first since Erdrick since grew to legendary status in that game and 9 has to come last because everyone else has already gone through their individual quests. Like Iggy said, 8 can be connected to 3 through Ramia/Lamia and to 4 thanks to Torneko and Ragnar, but that's not counting spinoffs. In the Mystery Dungeon games, Yangus, as a child, meets Torneko, and Caravan Heart features a young Kiefer, putting 7 somewhere around DQ2. But if we're gonna count Monsters games, Joker 2 slates Gemon as Jamirus' father, linking 8 and 6. Gemon also connects to Dragon Quest Swords which in turn connects to 2 with Atlas, who's been in a LOT of games. Bouncing back to 8 Morrie has a Slime incarnation in the Rocket Slime series. Dragon Quest Monsters Iruruka has to take place sometime before 6 since Terry's still a kid in that game. (What's with the monster games and young characters?)

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For heaven's sake how many times must I say this.

 

7 CANNOT be placed after 2 with certainty because of CH.

 

Two characters from 7 play major roles in CH, and they're from different time periods. One is obviously Kiefer, the other is Fosse/Jaqueline. One of them had to time travel in addition to space, and there's no clues which, if not both.

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The thing is, those two characters are significantly younger in Caravan than they are in seven. Even if Caravan and 2 are happening at the same time, Kiefer has years to go before kicking off the events of seven time travel or not.

 

 

But that's what happens when you try to put chronology in a game with none anyway. Besides, didn't you yourself say 2 leads into Caravan? Well, Caravan MUST lead into 7 because Young Kiefer, Fosse is kinda irrelevant because she's really not that major in 7 (outside of Alltrades) and, like you said, from a different time period. 

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The thing is, those two characters are significantly younger in Caravan than they are in seven. Even if Caravan and 2 are happening at the same time, Kiefer has years to go before kicking off the events of seven time travel or not.

 

 

But that's what happens when you try to put chronology in a game with none anyway. Besides, didn't you yourself say 2 leads into Caravan? Well, Caravan MUST lead into 7 because Young Kiefer, Fosse is kinda irrelevant because she's really not that major in 7 (outside of Alltrades) and, like you said, from a different time period.

2 leads into Caravan for the Loto world (Lorasia is in ruins, Moonbrooke is also obviously in ruins, etc. The Loto world events of Caravan are definitely post-II), but that doesn't mean Caravan is analogous with one of the time periods in 7 (either the past or the present).

 

Basically what I'm saying is, if 7's world and Loto's world have parallel time or whatever it's called (ie a specific point in 7's world translates to a specific point in Loto's), how that translates can't really be determined via Caravan Heart since someone (Fosse, Kiefer, or both) had to travel through time as well as space for Caravan's events to play out exactly as they do. That's what I'm trying to say.

 

The events of the Caravan Heart intro (This is Gran Estard, only land in the world, mischievous young prince makes daddy angry...) are before the events of present VII itself, though.

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Isn't the whole point of 7 about travelling through time as well as space though? Think about it, it's on a smaller scale, but explain to me how you can go from a temple in Estard to Engow, which is thousands of miles away to interact with Pamela to get events to happen exactly the way they do. At it's core, it's the same thing as Caravan, Burns even gets angry. Does that mean 7 can't even connect to itself?

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Isn't the whole point of 7 about travelling through time as well as space though? Think about it, it's on a smaller scale, but explain to me how you can go from a temple in Estard to Engow, which is thousands of miles away to interact with Pamela to get events to happen exactly the way they do. At it's core, it's the same thing as Caravan, Burns even gets angry. Does that mean 7 can't even connect to itself?

In 7 we know who's travelling time in addition to space. We don't know who's time travelling in Caravan Heart, which is why we can't place VII on that basis.

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The thing is, those two characters are significantly younger in Caravan than they are in seven. Even if Caravan and 2 are happening at the same time, Kiefer has years to go before kicking off the events of seven time travel or not.

 

 

But that's what happens when you try to put chronology in a game with none anyway. Besides, didn't you yourself say 2 leads into Caravan? Well, Caravan MUST lead into 7 because Young Kiefer, Fosse is kinda irrelevant because she's really not that major in 7 (outside of Alltrades) and, like you said, from a different time period.

2 leads into Caravan for the Loto world (Lorasia is in ruins, Moonbrooke is also obviously in ruins, etc. The Loto world events of Caravan are definitely post-II), but that doesn't mean Caravan is analogous with one of the time periods in 7 (either the past or the present).

 

Basically what I'm saying is, if 7's world and Loto's world have parallel time or whatever it's called (ie a specific point in 7's world translates to a specific point in Loto's), how that translates can't really be determined via Caravan Heart since someone (Fosse, Kiefer, or both) had to travel through time as well as space for Caravan's events to play out exactly as they do. That's what I'm trying to say.

 

The events of the Caravan Heart intro (This is Gran Estard, only land in the world, mischievous young prince makes daddy angry...) are before the events of present VII itself, though.

 

 

 

I forgot to include 4's characters presence in 8.  It's clearly after 4 is completed, and both Ragnar and Torneko are free to roam.

 

So

6 -> 3 -> 1 -> 2 -> 7? -> 4 -> 8 -> 5 -> 9

 

If we add in the monsters?  Can't fit Joker 1, 2, or even 3, as I'm not sure if they relate to any cannon in the main series.  Nor Swords, etc.

 

So...

 

DQM -> DQM2 -> 6 -> 3 -> 1 -> 2 -> CH -> 7 -> 4 -> 8 -> 5 -> 9

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The thing is, those two characters are significantly younger in Caravan than they are in seven. Even if Caravan and 2 are happening at the same time, Kiefer has years to go before kicking off the events of seven time travel or not.

 

 

But that's what happens when you try to put chronology in a game with none anyway. Besides, didn't you yourself say 2 leads into Caravan? Well, Caravan MUST lead into 7 because Young Kiefer, Fosse is kinda irrelevant because she's really not that major in 7 (outside of Alltrades) and, like you said, from a different time period.

2 leads into Caravan for the Loto world (Lorasia is in ruins, Moonbrooke is also obviously in ruins, etc. The Loto world events of Caravan are definitely post-II), but that doesn't mean Caravan is analogous with one of the time periods in 7 (either the past or the present).

 

Basically what I'm saying is, if 7's world and Loto's world have parallel time or whatever it's called (ie a specific point in 7's world translates to a specific point in Loto's), how that translates can't really be determined via Caravan Heart since someone (Fosse, Kiefer, or both) had to travel through time as well as space for Caravan's events to play out exactly as they do. That's what I'm trying to say.

 

The events of the Caravan Heart intro (This is Gran Estard, only land in the world, mischievous young prince makes daddy angry...) are before the events of present VII itself, though.

 

 

 

I forgot to include 4's characters presence in 8.  It's clearly after 4 is completed, and both Ragnar and Torneko are free to roam.

 

So

6 -> 3 -> 1 -> 2 -> 7? -> 4 -> 8 -> 5 -> 9

 

If we add in the monsters?  Can't fit Joker 1, 2, or even 3, as I'm not sure if they relate to any cannon in the main series.  Nor Swords, etc.

 

So...

 

DQM -> DQM2 -> 6 -> 3 -> 1 -> 2 -> CH -> 7 -> 4 -> 8 -> 5 -> 9

 

Maybe not into a specific timeline, but disregarding them completely seems, odd. Heroes also screws up with things. The DQ4 characters have finished their quest, evident by Alena and Kiryl's interactions with Psaro, as well as Jess and Yangus when they talk about Ramia, but Terry's dialogue puts him somewhere before joing in 6 and Nera and Bianca are obviously just before the big choice. Also, what about Trode's appearance in the Joker games?

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For heaven's sake how many times must I say this.

 

7 CANNOT be placed after 2 with certainty because of CH.

 

Two characters from 7 play major roles in CH, and they're from different time periods. One is obviously Kiefer, the other is Fosse/Jaqueline. One of them had to time travel in addition to space, and there's no clues which, if not both.

"AT LEAST" one of them had to time travel.

 

Way I see it, there are only two ways to look at this. Either we keep the disconnection and see them as fan service with no real links, or...

 

We see that traveling among these worlds involves displacement in time, as well. Just like characters from IV, V and VI can interact in Heroes, the same applies to everyone else. So Torneco can have all of his adventures, even meet a 12 year old Yangus, then be there for VIII.

 

And Iggy already mentioned this, when he said the "goddess" thing is just one of the many things invented for the localizations. I think that, if people REALLY want to spend time thinking of a credible timeline, they should only take into account the Japanese games, and not anything created for the out-of-Japan versions.

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