eal 2,694 Posted September 24, 2018 Author Share Posted September 24, 2018 Problem with a TVTropes page is it lays out everything about a character across an entire franchise in one spot. There are like 20 thousand variants of Saber across every game and show in the franchise. My opinion is formed based solely off the main story as adapted by the anime, including Zero. The issue is that, while she does have a goal of her own, aside from Zero, in almost every alternate variantion of her, the way she pursues her goal is by helping other people pursue their goals while hers are kept a mystery. Her issues are perpetually unimportant in the context of the series and they don’t matter aside for the very ending of the various endings of the main series.This is because all of these details about her (who she is and her goals) are kept under wraps as a surprise and her identity is revealed as King Arthur when she unleashes her Nobel Phantasm Excalibur towards the tail end of a series. The most interesting she has ever been is in Zero, where her identity is known pretty much from minute one, and also where she is completely overshadowed by the two other kings in that series. Link to post Share on other sites
Brother Jaybird 529 Posted September 24, 2018 Share Posted September 24, 2018 That doesn't make her a bad character, that just means she's trapped in a bad story. Link to post Share on other sites
eal 2,694 Posted September 24, 2018 Author Share Posted September 24, 2018 The story of Fate/stay night is perfectly fine. But if you need to Frankstein together dozens of alternate versions of her to make someone interesting, you don’t have a good character. At least Sakura Matō has all of Heaven’s feel to make her more interesting. Link to post Share on other sites
Woodus 1,734 Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 Socialed this out today, hearing the 'Happy Holidays' song I always here the lyric in my head this way 2 Link to post Share on other sites
cprmauldin 549 Posted December 24, 2018 Share Posted December 24, 2018 ^^^^ Link to post Share on other sites
Duran 68 Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 (edited) When did this turn from Maribel hate to Fate hate? Edited January 3, 2019 by Duran Link to post Share on other sites
eal 2,694 Posted January 3, 2019 Author Share Posted January 3, 2019 8 minutes ago, Duran said: When did this turn from Maribel hate to Fate hate? I don’t hate Fate. I just ain’t gonna rate Saber that great, mate. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
TheKingOfTheDragovians 305 Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 3 hours ago, eal said: I don’t hate Fate. I just ain’t gonna rate Saber that great, mate. Link to post Share on other sites
Duran 68 Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 23 hours ago, eal said: I don’t hate Fate. I just ain’t gonna rate Saber that great, mate. On 9/24/2018 at 8:09 AM, eal said: The story of Fate/stay night is perfectly fine. But if you need to Frankstein together dozens of alternate versions of her to make someone interesting, you don’t have a good character. At least Sakura Matō has all of Heaven’s feel to make her more interesting. She actually is genuinely a good character. The reasoning behind the dozen different versions is not to "make her more interesting," but rather the studio capitalizing off her immense popularity. That same studio even points it out in a lot (among their other tropes) whenever they're given a chance to have fun and be more comedic. Link to post Share on other sites
eal 2,694 Posted January 4, 2019 Author Share Posted January 4, 2019 6 hours ago, Duran said: She actually is genuinely a good character. The reasoning behind the dozen different versions is not to "make her more interesting," but rather the studio capitalizing off her immense popularity. That same studio even points it out in a lot (among their other tropes) whenever they're given a chance to have fun and be more comedic. Maybe I worded it wrong but I never said the millions of variations is to make her more interesting, but that it takes dozens of variations of her to make her an interesting character. Vanilla Saber in Fate/stay night is not that interesting to me, personally. Link to post Share on other sites
Fates 289 Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 Maribel is awesome Link to post Share on other sites
Plattym3 2,586 Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 Maribel is awesome Points to topic title. Link to post Share on other sites
YangustheLegendaryBandit 3,697 Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 1 minute ago, Plattym3 said: 8 minutes ago, Fates said: Maribel is awesome Points to topic title. Maybe autocorrect messed up what he meant to say. Link to post Share on other sites
Marrowfrost 49 Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 I find it hilarious that this thread has being going on for a little bit over 2 years. But as for Maribel herself, she's not my favorite DQ character any more (ahem that title is tied between Gabo/Ruff and Alena excuse mE), but I do rather like her flaws and strengths. Okay but I am writing a DQ7 AU fic so I'm a little biased anyways. 2 Link to post Share on other sites
Billy MK 37 Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 (edited) Queen Maribel-SAMA is awesome. You guys just can't appreciate real woman. PLEASE MARIBEL BELITTLE ME MOAR Serioulsy though, I like her, I like any character that can make me laught. Everything bad about her is what makes her funny to watch Edited January 17, 2019 by Billy MK Link to post Share on other sites
Yross 17 Posted March 24 Share Posted March 24 (edited) So, after finishing the 3DS version of DQ7, I'm reviving this dead behemoth of thread just to say that Maribel is the best girl, she may be annoying but she clearly progress through the story from a soar tsundere to a sweet one. Also she seems to be kinder in the French version of the game than in the English one I feel. For exemple: Spoiler So, when you go the Regrette-Rien Convent in the 2nd past, and you check Lavender Tombstone, Maribel will ask you: "If I died, you'd remember me forever and ever, wouldn't you, [hero's name] ?" And if you're not a tsundere yourself you'll obviously say yes. Now, in the english version, she replies with "You would? Good. Well, in that case, I suppose I'd remember you too." which is just a continuation of that annoying side to a quote that was kinda supposed to be emotional. However, in the French translation she will say (roughly translated) : "You would? Then I'll never forget you either", skipping all that "Good, in that case, I suppose, ..." that made the thing uncertain. And I don't know, but that made the scene quite emotional for once (in the context of that whole Carraway-Lavander story which was pretty sad I thought). And just because that quote was better in French (which is a superior language anyway), I will now defend Maribel to the #$*!ing death, come at me. Edited March 24 by Yross 2 Link to post Share on other sites
AzureZoa 93 Posted March 25 Share Posted March 25 What were the last 23 pages of comments I read? My eyes need bleach now. Link to post Share on other sites
Plattym3 2,586 Posted March 25 Share Posted March 25 I'm so happy this was resurrected, love or hate. C'est la vie Link to post Share on other sites
AustNerevar 810 Posted March 25 Share Posted March 25 It feels like it's 2016 again.Sent from my SM-G965U using Tapatalk Link to post Share on other sites
Plattym3 2,586 Posted March 25 Share Posted March 25 It feels like it's 2016 again.Sent from Maribel's SM-G965U using Tapatalk 5 years later and Maribel still sucks. Link to post Share on other sites
AzureZoa 93 Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 I missed a glorious thread in its heyday huh 1 Link to post Share on other sites
eal 2,694 Posted March 26 Author Share Posted March 26 My magnum opus. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
AzureZoa 93 Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 57 minutes ago, eal said: My magnum opus. All 23 pages of it. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Yross 17 Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 5 hours ago, eal said: My magnum opus. Yeah, my only regret in life is not finishing the game when this thread was alive 8 hours ago, Plattym3 said: 5 years later and Maribel still sucks. this is because of people like you that we can't have nice things ! Link to post Share on other sites
Fates 289 Posted March 31 Share Posted March 31 well this threads lasted 5 years because that's the average time in DQ7 to get to the class system part 3 Link to post Share on other sites
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