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Oh forgot to try to include dragon quest swords in the conversation :laugh: . Does anyone know how many bosses used the secret of evolution? Any besides Psaro, Estark, and Nismo? What was Mortomor using to transform? Can we make any more connections with the knowledge of evolution here? I know Mattcraft was talking about that a bit earlier.

 

Only Psaro/Necrosaro, Estark/Esturk/Esterk, and Nimzo/Mildraath.

 

The rest used their own power I assume.  Let's a bit.

 

Mortamor gets really really big, implying his first form is not his real form, it's just a form donned to conserve energy as he manipulates the world of VI and grows ever more powerful sucking the soul/spirit energy drained from the people trapped in his realm.  So his second form is who he really is.  His third form he is undead, meaning his spiritual energy is so strong, he brought himself back in the form of his head and two hands (yeah literally, he's classified as undead in the game as well, so happy Zombiebane's + Undead Undoer time yo!).  Plus VI's whole system of monster power has to do with spiritual needs.  Heck the whole game is based around spiritual elements fighting one another.  IV and V is all about physical, thus the evolution angle ;).

 

VII's Orgy likes to dress down, much like Mortamor, as a humanoid type, but his real form is that dragonic serpentine form.  The first time we fight, he starts as his human form, but busts out with his Draconic in the aftermath.  The second time around, he's in full glory at the start, but decides to change back to his other form...no seeming reason why.  What's cool is form 1 is classified as a Dragon, so it's by design in totality.  Gameplay and story.  Anyway, his human form, upon pretty much dieing, starts to unravel, as he zombifies, unable to retain his humanoid form.  I get the impression, unlike Morty's choice in dressing down to conserve, Orgy's desire to be a humanoid is more for flare, pomp, and he probably just enjoys it.  His last form seems to show his complete lack of maintaining himself in any one form, as his Dragonoid form comes out once again, but like with form 3, it's a zombie.  He can no longer maintain his favourite form, the humanoid, and just melts further as he can't even maintain himself.  His attacks likely get stronger because he's desperate to use up all his power to wipe out the party, and perhaps this is another reason for his "melting", he's using too much of his own power.

 

Then we have Rhapthorne.  The first fight against the firefly wannabee...well, we see his real form.  That's who he is.  No changes.  It's only after he absorbs his castle, which was maintained as a spell, by his person, but rather than just the spell form holding the walls together returning to him, the physical elements the spell was containing within, as the structure, is absorbed.  So Rhapthorne the oversized bug, changes into the megalithic super Fatthorne, and the rest is history.  He sees no other changes.

 

Like with DQVI, IX returns to that spiritual element.  IX's body form is based on the hatred for all mankind, culminating in a dark mass that slowly transforms our formerly lost celestrian into the demon form we see.  Heck, we can already see the madness and corruption he allowed to bleed into his system alter his shape in the first battle against Corvus.  It was only a matter of time before he would release all of it, and make a total transformation.   It's a spiritual one, the body forming to what the spirit desires it to be, to mimic the internal feelings, sentiment, and desires.

 

 

Hope that helps.

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Cool read, just FYI the "Dragon Quest Item Storybook is no longer available on Archive.org, I grabbed the "Dragon Quest IV - Legend in the Dark" just in case it disappears as well.

This.   Unless the worlds go through some crazy apocalyptic $#!& that requires all life to start over and reshape the entire world, there's not a timeline for the entire ser

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In Joker 2, you fight a monster named Baby Bjorn, who looks almost identical to Bjorn the Behemoose from DQ5, who had been sealed for a very long time. One could suggest that Joker 2 happens before 5, given this tidbit. Another thing to note is the Yggdrasil leaves in the Zenithia trilogy. In 6, they're casino prizes. In 4, there's a giant tree you pick 'em from. In 5, they don't exist at all. It would that a tree was planted between 6 and 4, and disappeared between 4 and 5. But then, where did the leaves in 6 come from? Personally, this is one of the reasons why I believe 3 happens before 6, as one could assume that Erdrick defeated Zoma with a few leaves leftover, and probably sold them to someone for a good price, leading to their eventual landing in casinos. Another thing to mention: in Rocket Slime, you can see murals of King Trode with his daughter (in horse form). According to Mimas in a timeline thread I made way back when, and I quote, "10 definitely comes after 9." However, I'm not sure where/how she gets this notion. Maybe there's a Japanese timeline theory somewhere that makes a lot of sense?

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Yggdrasil Leaves are in DQV, all versions.

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Square Enix and PepsiCo need to get together and do a DQ promotion.

 

Yggdrasil Dew.

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Where? All I found was Yggdrasil Dew in my playthrough, and none of the DQ wikis mention Yggdrasil LEAVES being seen in 5.

 

http://shrines.rpgclassics.com/snes/dq5/items.shtml

 

Search: leaf of the world tree

 

 

http://www.gamefaqs.com/ds/942423-dragon-quest-v-hand-of-the-heavenly-bride/faqs/56092

 

Search: Yggdrasil Leaf

 

 

http://www.gamefaqs.com/ps2/919130-dragon-quest-v/faqs/59751

 

Search: Yggdrasil Leaf

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Casinos and pachisi boards are one thing, but what really grabs me is that you can get them from a SAPLING. Again, DQ4 had a TREE. And not just any tree, A GIANT MOTHERLOVING BEHEMOTH OF A TREE. Why a sapling now, and what happened to the old tree? That's the point I'm trying to make. It's possible to assume that Celestria and the DQ4 tree are one and the same, but Celestria's tree form is significantly smaller. Also, in 5, all you do with the sapling is water it after putting it in the museum. Sure, it grants you a leaf, but that's all that happens as far as Yggdrasil trees are concerned. In 7, you save a sapling in the PAST, and it grows into a leaf-granting tree in the PRESENT. The sapling in 7 could be the same one from 5. DQ1 and 2, which apparently take place before 7, don't seem to disprove this theory either, since in 2, you don't even find the leaves in a tree, but a small island in the middle of the ocean.

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Casinos and pachisi boards are one thing, but what really grabs me is that you can get them from a SAPLING. Again, DQ4 had a TREE. And not just any tree, A GIANT MOTHERLOVING BEHEMOTH OF A TREE. Why a sapling now, and what happened to the old tree? That's the point I'm trying to make. It's possible to assume that Celestria and the DQ4 tree are one and the same, but Celestria's tree form is significantly smaller. Also, in 5, all you do with the sapling is water it after putting it in the museum. Sure, it grants you a leaf, but that's all that happens as far as Yggdrasil trees are concerned. In 7, you save a sapling in the PAST, and it grows into a leaf-granting tree in the PRESENT. The sapling in 7 could be the same one from 5. DQ1 and 2, which apparently take place before 7, don't seem to disprove this theory either, since in 2, you don't even find the leaves in a tree, but a small island in the middle of the ocean.

 

The tree is dying.  Why it's in the center of a desert.  It's mentioned twice in the storyline of 4.

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Oh yeah, I forgot about all the sand. But that still doesn't downright disprove my earlier connection between 7 and 5. But really, the only games where it's really gonna be a chore figuring out are 9 and 10. 9 is off doing its own thing, and 10........well, Estark is clearly seen in 10, but according to Mimas, and I quote again, "the Estark like monster is not Estark himself."

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we know there's a timeline in dragon quest series but only square enix and the creator of the game how to connect the whole game in one so in the future they will revealed but not for now because they want to us enjoy it for the time being

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we know there's a timeline in dragon quest series but only square enix and the creator of the game how to connect the whole game in one so in the future they will revealed but not for now because they want to us enjoy it for the time being

We do?

 

I don't think there is. The first 3 obviously, a tentative one with 4-6, but no. I don't believe the rest are connected. Just because we get fanservice in games with previous heroes being there doesn't make them connected. I believe you're trying too hard to make connections that aren't there.

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we know there's a timeline in dragon quest series but only square enix and the creator of the game how to connect the whole game in one so in the future they will revealed but not for now because they want to us enjoy it for the time being

We do?

 

I don't think there is. The first 3 obviously, a tentative one with 4-6, but no. I don't believe the rest are connected. Just because we get fanservice in games with previous heroes being there doesn't make them connected. I believe you're trying too hard to make connections that aren't there.

This.

 

Unless the worlds go through some crazy apocalyptic $#!& that requires all life to start over and reshape the entire world, there's not a timeline for the entire series.

 

A shout out or reference to another game within the series doesn't suddenly mean every game must be in some sort of "timeline."

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I have tried to make a timeline, here is what I have

 

BB = Before Botsu (Legendary original Zenithian Hero of DQVI)

AB = After Birth

 

??? BB: Zenithia is created by lord Zenith

4 BB: Mileyu is born

3 BB: Hassan is born

1 AB: Botsu, Terry, and Barbera is born

3 AB: Mileyu is kidnapped and terry starts his quest

17 AB: Botsu starts his quest to beat Mudou

20 AB: Botsu defeats Mortamor

837 AB: Erdrick is born

853 AB: Erdrick starts his quest to defeat Baramos

855: Erdrick disappears from the upper world

856: Erdrick defeats Zoma, later visits Zenithia

866 AB: Erdrick dies

956 AB: Hero starts his quest to defeats the Dragon Lord

957 AB: Hero defeats the Dragon Lord and explores Torland

1020 AB: By now, the Zenithian Dragon is king and now is fighting Estark, he managed to seal away Estark

1057 AB: The events of Dragon Quest II start

1059 AB: The heroes finally beat Malroth

1159 AB: Events of Dragon Quest Monsters 3: Caravan Heart happen

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I want to make note of the canonocity for some things

 

Estark is canon in Dragon Quest V, as in that same dungeon, Madason finds his ultimate shield which even a fortune teller in Oracleberry states is the strongest shield for him.

 

Dragon Quest III and VI might be connected due to the bonus, but it is unknown. I can believe that the upperworld is the real world, but I want to look up on it.

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Timeline? More like Slimeline!

Let's do the slime-warp again!
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I'm not sure what to think about 4-6. If I remember right Horii said they weren't connected, but then as time went on he seemed to change his mind...

 

It's all up in the air with 4, 5, and 6, and I'm not sure what to think.

 

Either way though 1-3 are connected. Everything else? Nope.

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Yeah, you definitely find the Zenethian armor in all three games, but other than that there is no real connection. I can see the argument of connecting the worlds, but in say, 7 & 8, where can you make connection to future and past games?

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I don't know, Buru.

 

To me it just seems like grasping for straws.

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