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Dragon Quest V Hack (Currently only an Idea)

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This is a concept I have had banging around in my head for awhile now, and I thought I should see about some feedback/thoughts and maybe even some assistance on this project during the summer.

 

The general idea is modifying the story of Dragon Quest V, my all time favorite DQ game into something a bit different changing some aspects and even crossing over a few things from DQ IV and DQ VI. So without further a do here is a list of what would mostly likely be changed in this hack. We'll start from big changes to smaller changes.

 

  • A 4th Heavenly Bride, a character idea I had after I played all three of the brides. She is a blood-red haired girl one year younger than the hero. She is a Healer type character, as all of the brides were Mage type characters. (Unless you consider Debora a Warrior, although I personally don't.) She meets the young hero as she is leaving Whealbrook with her Adoptive Parents, bumping into him by accident, her parents apologize to Pankraz and the hero and leave. She then doesn't appear until Pankraz and the Hero arrive in Coburg, seemingly bumping into them in front of the castle, she asks if the Hero would like to play with her and Pankraz asks if she would like to keep the hero company while he talks with the king. She essentially joins the party and they meet Prince Harry, etc. The story stays quite similar with the exception of added dialogue, she also goes with the Hero to save Prince Harry, feeling somewhat responsible. Then like the Hero and Harry becomes a slave, and spends 10 hard years building the temple. She joins them on their escape, and the three leave together from the abbey. The story stays quite the same except instead of Harry suggesting they go to Coburg after staying in Roundbeck, it is her instead stating although Harry is unsure of going back to Coburg they both know its the right thing to do, to at least see whats happened to their home. So they go to Coburg, etc. Upon arrival she asks the hero if they could visit her parents, only to learn that they had sold their home shortly after she was kidnapped. Although a bit heartbroken she continues with the hero on his journey. The game plays out the same up until the marriage part of the game in which she only accompanies the hero to get the Circle of Fire, afterwards she says she has serious thinking to do. Then she admits her feelings for the hero after bringing back the Circle of Water. If she is married she takes on the role of the loving and supportive wife. If she isn't married, she tells the hero that she understands, and that although it will take her time she will find a way to move on. She then states that she is going to go on a journey to find her parents, although she always knew they weren't her real parents, she still loves them just the same. She finds them in Gotha sometime between the 2nd and 3rd Generation, unless she was married in which case she finds them almost upon arrival. The game plays out the same from there on she gives birth to red head twins, she gets kidnapped, stoned, unstoned, saves hero's mother, happy ending. Not sure on a name for her yet though, thinking maybe Alice.

 

  • There is a sidequest that I am thinking about including involving a magic scroll that greatly piqued Alice's interest and after obtaining the scroll she learns that it describes a very powerful ritual involving cloning. This is a miss-able quest however as its purpose only takes place when Harry leaves the party when he states that he wishes he could go with the Hero on his quest. Alice then explains that if he truly wanted to he could using the cloning spell explaining that the way the spell works is that it makes an exact copy of a person. Then by casting the spell again it combines the two people creating one person who has the strength of the one that is stronger, and even the memories of both. She explains that it can even be cast multiple times on the same person however once used on a person it can only be used on them until death. Harry agrees to this however, the hero may for whatever reason decline and the scroll might serve another purpose. If Harry does join he stays with the hero throughout Generation 2. He updates or syncs with his clone on two occasions the first time when they are called by Prince Harry to see him after having got married to Maria, and during the Wedding of the Hero. He is killed my Ladja trying to help the Hero and his Wife, and as a result automatically syncs with the Harry in Coburg. He can join again if the scroll is used on him in Generation 3 or the Hero can leave him be, either way he still has his son Kendrick and after everything he lives happily with Maria and as Wilbur's Advisor.

 

  • Another change that might exist is that of a New Game Plus sort of feature, if it is possible. It would simply start the scene of the hero's soul being sent back into his younger body, all of his strength would be sent to him. The game would then start similar to how it would however instead of talking about his dream about being in a castle when he was a baby. He would tell Pankraz about how he was sent back in time. Pankraz, finding this statement quite humorous patted his son's back and sent him off. The game plays similar to how the original game would play with a small amount of dialogue changes. Up until the battle with Ladja, where by this point you would potentially be able to survive 100 turns or perhaps defeat him, something of that measure. This would change the scene whether it be by exhaustion, or something else the hero is without quite a bit of strength, his father leaves quite similar parting words as he did before however, lacking the strength to Summon Kon and Slon, Ladja fought him himself, weakening Ladja to the point where he couldn't Kafrizzle him to death. Instead he simply states that he will regret having weakened him so, and turns Pankraz to stone. Things would play out as they had before from there on out, his father would still be a statue if visited in Generation 2 however without any real way to cure him of his state. However if he is visited in Generation 3 with the children he can be released using the staff that the daughter has. (I believe it was a staff he used to save the Hero.) At the moment I'm not sure on the effect this would have on Mada as I can't remember that far into the story. (I'll need to brush up before I can remember.)

Those are the major things I was thinking of, now on to some more minor things.

 

  • Nera's name is changed back to Flora
  • Harry's Level cap is adjusted to 99, his max stats are also modified accordingly as is his skillset and equipable items.
  • To make things a little heart breaking I am considering seeing if its possible to change the ending of the brides that weren't chosen to their original darker story, specifically Bianca's because, well I am a monster like that who wants you to feel guilty.
  • Not 100% sure on this but may include the Solar Fan and Lunar Fan as Shields for Alice to use only. (Yes I know they are supposed to be weapons, but you know what!?? I am breaking a lot of rules here anyway, so why not?) They would have the same defense except one when used as an item would cast Crackle while the other when used as an item would cast Sizzle.
  • Debora *might* marry if she isn't married, just not sure to whom if at all.
  • Alice starts of equipped with a DQIV item the Lucidia Shard usable only by her, and her kids. (I think it was in DQVI too.)
  • There may be a super secret shop selling DQIV and VI items being kept by the infamous Torneko Taloon. (Actually its Torneko Taloon the Third, but they are essentially the same person.) Who will most likely sell extremely rare equipment of some kind, OR seeds.
  • The Metal King Items are replaced with the Liquid Metal Items from DQIV and the Metal King Items are instead located elsewhere either sold by Torneko or hidden within Sidequests. (The Metal King Items will be slightly stronger than the Liquid Metal ones of course.)
  • There may be a side quest involving a Sorcerer who tries to harness the power of the last Legendary Hero, summoning his soul to fight for him. You fight the Last Hero (It's Solo!) and after you defeat him you get the Metal King Sword (I am thinking instead of Solo you might just fight 4 of the Chosen ones although I don't know who I would be interested in who you think the four should be).
  • There may be an extremely rare item called Goddess Pie, it will raise the level of the person who uses it. (Might be sold by Torneko as well.)
  • All 4 brides will learn Magic Burst upon reaching level 45.
  • Pankraz is to have visible EXP and Level Gains in New Game + due to the possibility of being added as a member of the party permanently. This includes more skills to learn with level gains, skills will likely be similar to Hero's.

 

All of these were just thoughts of what I might try to create, I know its a lot and honestly since I have no prior knowledge of hacking it probably won't be done within even a year. However I am interested in feedback and thoughts, and maybe even collaboration in getting this created.

 

EDIT: It would appear bullets don't actually appear... interesting.

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I like the hack, and I'd sure as hell play it.

 

Might wanna use the SNES version though, could be easier to hack.

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No I would rather use the DS version because I would rather not try adding two characters into it since I'm not sure how hard it would be and I believe Debora was only playable in the DS version.

 

And I am glad knowing that at least one person would play it, for the most part it would be the same game just with additions.

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V is my fav.

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I'm glad to hear it. Its a great game and I replay it quite often.

 

I also feel like confessing as to why I decided to add Harry to the potential permanent characters, its mostly because I found his development very interesting, and I often used cheats to keep him with me my entire time playing, however obviously that wasn't enough as eventually all he ever said was "..."

 

So I decided that if I were to hack it I would try and create a way that Harry would be a possible permanent character while still allowing the player to decide if they wanted him or not. (Maybe for the sake of challenge they won't.) Since he was a permanent that means I would have to give him more spells and somehow change his max level and the EXP required to get there. I decided to give him the entire Frizz line of spells as well as the Boom and Kaboom Spells. 

 

I know nobody was probably curious about this but I felt the need to state a fact. As for New Game plus, well that idea actually came from a topic on this forum I believe?

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;) V is one of the best entries in the series and your hack sounds like a great idea man. SNES ROMs are far easier to hack as opposed to Nintendo DS ROMs though, but if you can figure out how to hack a DS ROM then I'd say use that since it probably has more of the resources you need.

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I'd definitely play this.  There's are lots of tools available for DS hacking these days, though I am sure it will require a fair bit of custom coding.  Please let us know if you decide to take this on.

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I'm thinking I might, I am gonna have a LOT of free time in two weeks, so I might.

 

Also I decided to add to the list a spell that will be exclusive to all 4 brides, the one, the only... Magic Burst! Not the greatest spell, but I'm adding it.

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Please, PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE TAKE OUT SIZZLE AND REPLACE IT WITH BLAZE.

 

And... make "Magic Burst" it's Japanese counterpart. "Madante." It sounds so much cooler.

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MAYBE! I guess I'll make a list right here on what people would prefer. I guess just choose one out of the two choices or specify what you might prefer in this.

 

Prince Harry or Prince Henry

NES Names or DS Names (For example Nera or Flora)

NES Spells or DS Spells (For Example Frizz or Blaze)

Original Endings for Unwedded Brides or DS Version (For Example Bianca becomes Abused Barmaid or Bianca marries some NPC character)

DQIV/V/VI Icons or DQIX Icons (For items and Weapons, etc.)

Cameos?!? (Anybody that is done in the same style as the Zenethian Trilogy Remakes.)

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Just keep Blaze. >:( I will eat you if you don't.

 

And... I really prefer the original endings. It makes sense if you don't pick THE RIGHT BRIDE (( Right BIANCA? ))

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I don't remember her being an abused barmaid... So I assume that was the SFC version? For endings I choose whatever version had this.

SFC place names (I really only care about changing the punny ones...)

NES/DWVII spell names (I have a similar obsession as Ryu - except with Return, not Blaze. Although Zoomingale is a good town name if you change the spell to return, because then it sounds like a legit localization instead of a pun.)

SFC character names (Where the F*** did they come up with Pankraz? That makes me think of pancreas. It should be Papas.)

IV/V/VI icons

I like the Magic Burst idea, but I agree with Ryu - Madante sounds cooler.

Harry/Henry? Harry.

 

 

There is my vote. Sorry it's out of order. (I also added place names in case you take that into consideration.)

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MAYBE! I guess I'll make a list right here on what people would prefer. I guess just choose one out of the two choices or specify what you might prefer in this.

 

Here are my votes:

 

Prince Harry or Prince Henry

Harry

 

NES Names or DS Names (For example Nera or Flora)

NES names

 

NES Spells or DS Spells (For Example Frizz or Blaze)

NES spells

 

Original Endings for Unwedded Brides or DS Version (For Example Bianca becomes Abused Barmaid or Bianca marries some NPC character)

Let her get married

 

DQIV/V/VI Icons or DQIX Icons (For items and Weapons, etc.)

Either, leave the ones on there. You have enough recoding to do!

 

Cameos?!? (Anybody that is done in the same style as the Zenethian Trilogy Remakes.)

Duh. Yes. Alena! Cristo!

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Alright well it seems like the original names are more popular (Honestly I don't like Blaze HOWEVER, I can live with it as what I want most is for it to appeal to everybody here.) however, we will see as to where things go.

 

It looks like I'll probably just keep the DQIV/V/VI Icons.

 

Also seems the endings are a bit on the fence still as well.

 

I thought since I can't quite make the Mugshot for Alice yet what I could do is make them for her kids, so here we go:

 

Turns out though... I don't know how to add images yet, so I guess I'll change this later after figuring it out.

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Upload to tinypic or another external source, then use the add picture button in the post editor to add it using the URL.

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;) What Erdrick said, Imgur or Photobucket are good alternatives

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Ah alright thought there might be a way to do it directly from my computer without the use of those sites, anyway here they are.

 

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I know they probably aren't much a simple recolor really, but it was my best attempt.

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;) It's a pretty good recolor though, it looks like it could have been hidden within the code of the game.

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Hmm there has been something I have been contemplating for the past few days and I would like some input.

 

Do you guys think it would be easier to try and create a Hack of the pre-existing rom with the stuff I would like to edit/add.

 

OR Do you guys think it would be easier to try and RIP all of the resources from DQV (and a few from DQIV and VI) and try and recreate the game on RPG Maker VX Ace, which I conveniently happen to own?

 

I would greatly appreciate your input, and if I do try and take the latter route would anyone be interested in helping me pool together the resources?

 

Also slightly modified the first post to include a few changes (None too noticeable, and some were implied).

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;) It might be easier to make this game using RPG Maker VX Ace since hacking the DS ROM is pretty difficult to impossible from what I hear.

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I think a hack would be better. With either version (SNES or DS.)

You could do it in RMVXA if you wanted to go SNES-style - but you'd likely not get it exactly like a DQ engine, unless you are proficient (or plan to become proficient) in Ruby/RGSS3.

 

I'm working on a custom DQ Engine based on the Arte Piazza engine. It's main use is for DQVII-2, but when it's done I'd be willing to let other DQ fans use it. The problem is, it won't be finished for a while, so even if you were willing to wait, I'd advise against it. I haven't even been able to start programming. It's stuck in concept stage for the moment because I'm SUPER busy with school, and I also haven't been able to register Game Maker (the software I plan to build my engine with - you need to register to use 3D functions) even though I purchased a license a long time ago. (Ran out of "valid" installs because I've had to reinstall Windows so many times on my old computer. I haven't been able to contact the company about it as they don't supply a phone number on their site, and the help desk just keeps sending me automatic replies telling me that I'm out of installs.)

 

That being said, when I DO finally get my engine built, my plan is to make the tools for building maps/enemies/events/etc. separate from game maker itself so they can be used on their own without Game Maker. It will basically be like RPG Maker but specifically engineered towards 3D DQ fangames.

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Sounds very interesting and I wish you luck but your probably right, if I do take this on which I very well might, I won't be willing to wait that long for such an engine your programming.

 

Plus it probably makes more sense to hack since I already have 2 projects waiting in the wings on RPG Maker and I shouldn't add a 3rd to that list really, I am mostly just curious what others thought.

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;) I didn't think about using the SNES ROM to make your hack, for that matter you could also add Deborah to it as well. Dunno how you'd add Parchisi though.

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