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Here we go with the next set of tournaments, Best DQ Dungeon & Best Non-DQ RPG. Each will have a different # of nominations needed, 32 for Best DQ Dungeon and 64 for Best Non-DQ RPG, so I'll need 8 people to nominate 4 DQ Dungeons & 8 Non-DQ RPG's. As usual only 1 nom needed for each Dungeon/RPG.

Edited by Esturkdq4

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But what is it exactly?, character?, game?, this is kinda confusing for me, sorry. . .U_U

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But what is it exactly?, character?, game?, this is kinda confusing for me, sorry. . .U_U

 

it's pretty simple, just 1)Dungeons from DQ Games & 2)Non-Dragon Quest RPG's.

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DQ Dungeons-

1. Wind Maze (DQ7)

2. Pyramid (DQ3)

3. Cave to Rhone (DQ2)

4. Black Citadel (DQ8)

 

Best Non DQ RPGs-

1. Dragon's Dogma

2. Crystalis

3. The Elder Scrolls 3: Morrowind

4. Demon's Souls

5. Fable

6. Final Fantasy 1

7. Final Fantasy 5

8. Final Fantasy Tactics

Edited by GrandAlchemist

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World Tree (DQIV)

Zenithian Tower (DQIV)

Deathtamoor's Castle (DQVI)

Time Pocket Cave (DQVII)

 

Final Fantasy VII

Final Fantasy X

Pokemon HeartGold/ SoulSilver

Digimon World 3

Golden Sun: The Lost Age

Kingdom Hearts: Birth by Sleep

Chrono Trigger

Tales of Symphonia

Edited by IvorEvilen

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  • Dracolord Castle (DQI)
  • Dark World (DQMJ2)
  • Tartarus (DQMJ)
  • Real of the Almighty (DQIX)

  • Catfish's Maw (Zelda Link's Awakening)
  • Wind Ruins (Zelda Minish Cap)
  • Fire Temple (Zelda Ocarina of Time)
  • Snowhead Temple (Zelda Majoras Mask)
  • Tower of Babel (Final Fantasy IV)
  • Dragon Cave (HM Rune Factory 3)
  • Bootes Sector (Shin Megami Tensei: Strange Journey)
  • War of the Netherwold (Disgaea DS)

Edited by Alextachiba

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  • Dracolord Castle (DQI)
  • Dark World (DQMJ2)
  • Tartarus (DQMJ)
  • Real of the Almighty (DQIX)

  • Catfish's Maw (Zelda Link's Awakening)
  • Wind Ruins (Zelda Minish Cap)
  • Fire Temple (Zelda Ocarina of Time)
  • Snowhead Temple (Zelda Majoras Mask)
  • Tower of Babel (Final Fantasy IV)
  • Dragon Cave (HM Rune Factory 3)
  • Bootes Sector (Shin Megami Tensei: Strange Journey)
  • War of the Netherwold (Disgaea DS)

 

you misunderstood, the 2nd set wasn't Non-DQ Dungeons, it was Non-DQ RPG's.

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Best DQ Dungeon

Crystal Tower (DQVII)

Charlock Castle (DQ3)

Aktempto/Mamon Mine (DQIV)

Mountain Path near Lifecod (DQVI)

 

Best Non-DQ RPG

Skyrim

Terranigma

Final Fantasy XII

Earthbound

Mother 3

Vagrant Story

Romancing SaGa 3

Robotrek

Edited by Megalosaro

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  • Dracolord Castle (DQI)
  • Dark World (DQMJ2)
  • Tartarus (DQMJ)
  • Real of the Almighty (DQIX)

  • Zelda Link's Awakening
  • Zelda Minish Cap
  • Zelda Ocarina of Time
  • Zelda Majoras Mask
  • Final Fantasy IV
  • Rune Factory a Fantasy Harvest Moon 3
  • Shin Megami Tensei: Strange Journey
  • Disgaea DS

 

you misunderstood, the 2nd set wasn't Non-DQ Dungeons, it was Non-DQ RPG's.

 

Fixed

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Mine:

 

DQ Dungeons:

 

Colossus(DQIV)

Royal Crypt(DQIV)

Underwater City(DQVII)

DarkDraco's Tower(DQVII)

 

RPG's:

 

Final Fantasy XIII

Final Fantasy XIII-2

Breath of Fire III

Pokemon Black/White

Final Fantasy IV:The After Years

LoZ:Link to the Past

Final Fantasy VI

Final Fantasy IX

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Updated Nomination Lists:

 

DQ Dungeons:

1. Wind Maze (DQ7)

2. Pyramid (DQ3)

3. Cave to Rhone (DQ2)

4. Black Citadel (DQ8)

5. World Tree (DQIV)

6. Zenithian Tower (DQIV)

7. Deathtamoor's Castle (DQVI)

8. Time Pocket Cave (DQVII)

9. Dracolord Castle (DQI)

10. Dark World (DQMJ2)

11. Tartarus (DQMJ)

12. Realm of the Almighty (DQIX)

13. Crystal Tower (DQVII)

14. Charlock Castle (DQ3)

15. Aktempto/Mamon Mine (DQIV)

16. Mountain Path near Lifecod (DQVI)

17. Colossus(DQIV)

18. Royal Crypt(DQIV)

19. Underwater City(DQVII)

20. DarkDraco's Tower(DQVII)

 

Non-DQ RPG's:

 

1. Dragon's Dogma

2. Crystalis

3. The Elder Scrolls 3: Morrowind

4. Demon's Souls

5. Fable

6. Final Fantasy 1

7. Final Fantasy 5

8. Final Fantasy Tactics

9. Final Fantasy VII

10. Final Fantasy X

11. Pokemon HeartGold/ SoulSilver

12. Digimon World 3

13. Golden Sun: The Lost Age

14. Kingdom Hearts: Birth by Sleep

15. Chrono Trigger

16. Tales of Symphonia

17. Skyrim

18. Terranigma

19. Final Fantasy XII

20. Earthbound

21. Mother 3

22. Vagrant Story

23. Romancing SaGa 3

24. Robotrek

25. Final Fantasy XIII

26. Final Fantasy XIII-2

27. Breath of Fire III

28. Pokemon Black/White

29. Final Fantasy IV:The After Years

30. LoZ:Link to the Past

31. Final Fantasy VI

32. Final Fantasy IX

33. Zelda Link's Awakening

34. Zelda Minish Cap

35. Zelda Ocarina of Time

36. Zelda Majoras Mask

37. Final Fantasy IV

38. Rune Factory a Fantasy Harvest Moon 3

39. Shin Megami Tensei: Strange Journey

40. Disgaea DS

 

So I just need 3 more people.

Edited by Esturkdq4

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I'm seeing nominations for Zelda games, but aren't those typically considered (with the exception of Adventure of Link) action adventure games? Don't get me wrong, I love the Zelda series, but I don't think they really fit. Of course, going by the direct definition of role-playing, they would, but that would mean you could nominate games such as Uncharted. In other cases, some would argue that role playing means you have total control over the identity and decisions of a character, which would make it impossible to classify many games in a currently existing genre. This is why role playing is separate in interpretation from the rpg genre in video games...

Edited by IvorEvilen

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DQ Dungeon

 

Strathbaile Tower DQ IV

Fortuna (night) DQ V

Cannock Castle DQII

Realm of the Mighty DQ IX

 

Non-DQ RPG

 

Wild ARMs 2

Disgaea 3

Might and Magic 2

Wasteland

SMT: Nocturne

Wizardry 8

Atelier Iris: Eternal Mana

The Witcher

 

That should do.

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I'm seeing nominations for Zelda games, but aren't those typically considered (with the exception of Adventure of Link) action adventure games? Don't get me wrong, I love the Zelda series, but I don't think they really fit. Of course, going by the direct definition of role-playing, they would, but that would mean you could nominate games such as Uncharted. In other cases, some would argue that role playing means you have total control over the identity and decisions of a character, which would make it impossible to classify many games in a currently existing genre. This is why role playing is separate in interpretation from the rpg genre in video games...

 

Crystalis was also nominated and that is similar to Zelda, unless you feel otherwise? That is kinda why I let Zelda in. Now, normally I'd agree, so if there are some others who agree with you for no Zelda I'll consider getting rid of them.

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I'm seeing nominations for Zelda games, but aren't those typically considered (with the exception of Adventure of Link) action adventure games? Don't get me wrong, I love the Zelda series, but I don't think they really fit. Of course, going by the direct definition of role-playing, they would, but that would mean you could nominate games such as Uncharted. In other cases, some would argue that role playing means you have total control over the identity and decisions of a character, which would make it impossible to classify many games in a currently existing genre. This is why role playing is separate in interpretation from the rpg genre in video games...

 

Crystalis was also nominated and that is similar to Zelda, unless you feel otherwise? That is kinda why I let Zelda in. Now, normally I'd agree, so if there are some others who agree with you for no Zelda I'll consider getting rid of them.

 

Crystalis and Zelda are Action-Adventure games. I say those are not RPGs in the strict sense of the genre.

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I'm seeing nominations for Zelda games, but aren't those typically considered (with the exception of Adventure of Link) action adventure games? Don't get me wrong, I love the Zelda series, but I don't think they really fit. Of course, going by the direct definition of role-playing, they would, but that would mean you could nominate games such as Uncharted. In other cases, some would argue that role playing means you have total control over the identity and decisions of a character, which would make it impossible to classify many games in a currently existing genre. This is why role playing is separate in interpretation from the rpg genre in video games...

 

Crystalis was also nominated and that is similar to Zelda, unless you feel otherwise? That is kinda why I let Zelda in. Now, normally I'd agree, so if there are some others who agree with you for no Zelda I'll consider getting rid of them.

 

Crystalis and Zelda are Action-Adventure games. I say those are not RPGs in the strict sense of the genre.

 

Alright then, I'll eliminate games like LoZ/Crystalis from the nominations, so I need myself to choose a new game, GrandAlchemist needs to replace Crystalis, Alextachiba needs to replace his 4 Zelda noms as well, I think that's about it.

Edited by Esturkdq4

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I'll replace LoZ:Link to the Past with FF:MQ.

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If Crystalis isn't an action RPG (which, it is... and thusly is an RPG) then what allows games from The Elder Scrolls and Fable series to be RPGs and not "action/adventure games with RPG elements"?

 

I believe Zelda games are usually excluded from the RPG category due to a lack of a Leveling system (except for Zelda 2: The Adventures of Link).

There was quite a bit of conversation on this idea on this thread: http://www.woodus.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=19720

 

This is what I had to say about the LoZ games not being RPGs:

I don't consider The Legend of Zelda games to be RPGs either, but saying they're not RPGs is really just splitting hairs.

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If Crystalis isn't an action RPG (which, it is... and thusly is an RPG) then what allows games from The Elder Scrolls and Fable series to be RPGs and not "action/adventure games with RPG elements"?

 

I believe Zelda games are usually excluded from the RPG category due to a lack of a Leveling system (except for Zelda 2: The Adventures of Link).

There was quite a bit of conversation on this idea on this thread: http://www.woodus.co...showtopic=19720

 

This is what I had to say about the LoZ games not being RPGs:

I don't consider The Legend of Zelda games to be RPGs either, but saying they're not RPGs is really just splitting hairs.

 

Alright, Crystalis is in. LoZ isn't still, that's final no more questions. So, just need Alextachiba to replace his 4 LoZ Noms.

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The whole rpg genre really screws up classification in my opinion. Crystalis may be similar to Zelda, but it has more in common with games like Dragon Quest and Final Fantasy. You have a world map with a series of towns and dungeons, where you go into the field fighting monsters to gain experience and gold to go buy new equipment. You have stats that increase upon levelup and such.

 

Really, the only things that Crystalis and Zelda have in common is the fact that it is real-time and has the occasional puzzle. Crystalis was from a time before the classification of the action rpg, and when there were so few action adventures that Crystalis came across as more a Zelda clone then a unique game from an underrepresented genre.

 

By this point though, I do believe that games need to be reclassified. It is way too confusing that role-playing games don't follow one strict definition, and all the arguments that occur as a result. In my opinion, rpgs should be reclassified as games that take a more tactical approach (you create your own strategy to win, rather than a pre-scripted method of success that you must find such as in Zelda) than a physical/reaction-time one. Action rpgs would then make more sense as either hybrids, simply action adventure games with stats, or some separate, unrelated genre. As a result, you could classify role-playing as a separate idea that can then be combined with different genres. This is really all off-topic...

Edited by IvorEvilen

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Ok heres my new 4

  1. Tales of Innocence
  2. Chrono Cross
  3. Baldur's Gate
  4. Dragon Age: Origins

Edited by Alextachiba

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Ok heres my new 4

  1. Tales of Innocence
  2. Chrono Cross
  3. Baldur's Gate
  4. Dragon Age: Origins

 

thanks

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DQ Dungeons:

1. Wind Maze (DQ7)

2. Pyramid (DQ3)

3. Cave to Rhone (DQ2)

4. Black Citadel (DQ8)

5. World Tree (DQIV)

6. Zenithian Tower (DQIV)

7. Deathtamoor's Castle (DQVI)

8. Time Pocket Cave (DQVII)

9. Dracolord Castle (DQI)

10. Dark World (DQMJ2)

11. Tartarus (DQMJ)

12. Realm of the Almighty (DQIX)

13. Crystal Tower (DQVII)

14. Charlock Castle (DQ3)

15. Aktempto/Mamon Mine (DQIV)

16. Mountain Path near Lifecod (DQVI)

17. Colossus(DQIV)

18. Royal Crypt(DQIV)

19. Underwater City(DQVII)

20. DarkDraco's Tower(DQVII)

21. Strathbaile Tower (DQ IV)

22. Fortuna (night) (DQ V)

23. Cannock Castle (DQII)

24. Realm of the Mighty (DQ IX)

 

Non-DQ RPG's:

 

1. Dragon's Dogma

2. Crystalis

3. The Elder Scrolls 3: Morrowind

4. Demon's Souls

5. Fable

6. Final Fantasy 1

7. Final Fantasy 5

8. Final Fantasy Tactics

9. Final Fantasy VII

10. Final Fantasy X

11. Pokemon HeartGold/ SoulSilver

12. Digimon World 3

13. Golden Sun: The Lost Age

14. Kingdom Hearts: Birth by Sleep

15. Chrono Trigger

16. Tales of Symphonia

17. Skyrim

18. Terranigma

19. Final Fantasy XII

20. Earthbound

21. Mother 3

22. Vagrant Story

23. Romancing SaGa 3

24. Robotrek

25. Final Fantasy XIII

26. Final Fantasy XIII-2

27. Breath of Fire III

28. Pokemon Black/White

29. Final Fantasy IV:The After Years

30. Final Fantasy:Mystic Quest

31. Final Fantasy VI

32. Final Fantasy IX

33. Tales of Innocence

34. Chrono Cross

35. Baldur's Gate

36. Dragon Age:Origins

37. Final Fantasy IV

38. Rune Factory a Fantasy Harvest Moon 3

39. Shin Megami Tensei: Strange Journey

40. Disgaea DS

41. Wild ARMs 2

42. Disgaea 3

43. Might and Magic 2

44. Wasteland

45. SMT: Nocturne

46. Wizardry 8

47. Atelier Iris: Eternal Mana

48. The Witcher

 

Since it seems I'm not getting any more people, I'll let 2 previous nominators nominate 4 more DQ Dungeons each, and 2 others nominate 8 Non-DQ RPG's as well.

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Dragon Quest Dungeons:

  1. Ice World (DWM 2)
  2. Ice Cavern (DQ III)
  3. Domedi's Castle (Dragon Quest Caravan Heart)
  4. Domdora (DQ I)

Non DQ RPG

  1. Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story
  2. The World Ends With You
  3. Knights in the Nightmare
  4. Etrian Odyssey II: Heroes of Lagaard
  5. Shin Megami Tensei: Devil Survivor
  6. Kingdom Hearts 358/2 Days
  7. Summon Night: Twin Age
  8. Valkyrie Profile: Covenant of the Plume

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I am afraid I don't know any more DQ dungeons but if it is alright I'll send up some Non-DQ RPGs.

 

Persona 4

Gothic

Risen

Vandal Hearts

Shadow Hearts

Star Ocean III

Lufia: Rise of the Sinistrals

Arc the Lad: Twilight of the Spirits

Edited by CoarseDragon

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